A tinge. What is the feeling in that moment? Not Julia, but Selina is like, 'I'm not going to look like s---!' And so, Julia e-mailed him, and then we got back this very quick auto-response, that was like, Im traveling. I pair that with how excited I am to be able to have had a full-circle moment in Veep, to show the beginning and an end and to walk through the whole journey and to have the whole arc of the series completed. In your mind, was that one of the last times they spoke?My assumption is, because Selina is Selina, Im sure she occasionally tried via Little Richard, or they bumped into each other. "You'd hate the flowers but I I brought the Dubonnet," he says to her flag-draped coffin, a cocktail of emotions flooding his weary voice. Everything is so normal that when she starts to try and ask him like maybe she was going to ask him to just take the fall flat-out and she never finishes the sentence but, of course, his assumption is: do you need me to run across the street to get some coffee? And you got to us, and it was the clip of Selina yelling at Penny Nickerson from Congressional Ball, and she just tears into her and her dress, and how shes gonna shake her district like a nanny from South America, and up her husbands ass with cancer, all this stuff. Shes a scientist. Ive said this before, but its like a dog returning to his vomit. But In the age of reboots, we must ask: Is there any chance that Veep will come back in any form, down the road?At least for the moment, Ive said everything I have to say about these people and this world. Totally. It was lovely that he came to New York for the premiere, and obviously, hes busy with [upcoming HBO space comedy Avenue 5]. I just want to determine who really is the human crutch in their relationship. Another popular suggestion: Jonah ends up running for president either opposing Selina or with her help. Amy (Anna Chlumsky) ended up with Ericsson (Diedrich Bader)! That would have been the running joke, that everybody else got scanned but shes the only actual competent one. She wants him to pick up coffee or go get those shoes that she bought. I think that would be important to her., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: The top vote getter was Jonah, with Dan as the runner-up (I would need to work for someone who has a soul, Minh wrote of the latter). (Based on @Walldo tweet) pic.twitter.com/aZpKydSbkn, Jesse McLaren (@McJesse) March 31, 2017, ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: We all know attempts at sarcasm dont always translate well in print. In this hilarious clip from HBO's "Veep " Selina (Julia Louis Dreyfus) and Gary (Tony Hale) finally have a blowout and essentially reset their relationship. Selina Meyer and her staff try to take on the White House in this HBO sitcom. Im mourning that. First off, the fact that Gary has beenseparated from Selina now that shes President has been emotional suicide for him. [It was] both a combination of starting to think, Well, weve seen a lot of variations of that before, and also this sense of: in America people were behaving very, very badly and not being punished. If I dont go crazily in, then it invalidates the previous decision. She was all in. The second he said it, it was just like, Oh, my God. But it was nice to see Veeps international fanbase come out to play: Im European, and Europe has a wonderful history regarding our attitude towards Jews, wrote Viktor, whos from Croatia. I think its worse than that., Has Mandel decided what happened? Something serious mustve went down to silence Selina like that. It went on the wish list. Another sleazy scumbag operator a la Dan. Because its almost like the same thing with Selina, where the train was moving so fast with every bad choice and horrible action that she couldnt stop herself. It dawned that that would be the price, that thats the human sacrifice, and we worked backward from that. Yes, maybe not specifically worrying about wheres Catherine and not specifically worrying about wheres Kent [Gary Cole], but all of that hits her. I guess in some ways he has no choice. Because its HBO, and its Veep, theres a tendency for the actors and the writers to just throw in the casual that f***king thing because you can. "Because she's in the casket. Because I believe he wanted to know. And its hard to make the audience think that in terms of her behavior to Catherine, this is any worse than anything else she has previously said to Catherine. The country is just waking up to how cherished she is. As Sydney wrote, Mother. By a landslide. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. What you realize in the grand scheme of things is that theres very little she has genuinely cared about. I mean, its all new people. I cant swear to you she was sitting there going, This is my father figure, with him, but certainly for the audience, you start to realize, Oh, this burned-out, alcoholic, political operative is the closest thing shes ever known to a genuine, at least sort of older man that thought kindly of her. [Laughs. I think hed love to go to restaurants and be able to eat, but Im not quite sure hed have a lot to say. His take? We love that dichotomy., Did Selina have good intentions when she was in office? Has he forgiven her? Veep: Inside the final days of TVs smartest and filthiest comedy Veep stars choose their all-time favorite scenes Watch Veep star Timothy Simons read unaired Jonah insults. Except the desired outcome would be the opposite: wed be holding our breath to see if Jonah would escape danger but wed be super upset and disappointed each time he survived, MANDEL RESPONDS: Thatd be very funny, he says of having a Carrie-type crier. In some ways, the lack of her courage to ask him almost makes it worse. He had all the designer clothes and was always clean-shaven, because God forbid he look like crap compared to her. Furlong, I think would be up there with Amy. MANDEL RESPONDS: "I didn't know the . The idea being, there is at least one more Oscar in the next 24 years, along with the sequel to Philadelphia. And theres nothing you could do that would ever satisfy her, he says. Goddammit. She cant even say it to him. This cast is so close, they were all together in Baltimore [where the show was filmed for the first four seasons] for so long. Hopefully there was a support group within that prison that helped him process. "It is a decision she's made. We police that and try to not have that, so that when you do get a chance to say f*** its a very special f***., Does the language make it difficult to choose clips to use at awards shows? It just was so stunning to hear the language in this giant ballroom at the Four Seasons. By the late 19th century, the Industrial Revolution had made working life miserable for people around the world. Lets just take no prisoners. She, more than anyone, could leave and walk away, and doesnt. This core in him that really cared about her, and really loved her and saw something else that other people didn't see. When we learn that Richard Splett [Sam Richardson] becomes a historic two-term president, it feels like some reward and justice in this cold, cruel world. Labor Day vs. May Day . TVLINE | The argument is diffused when she is reminded of what he did for her on Labor Day. That guy has shown his dark side way too many times (Dans resignation) and has probably done some nasty stuff during his career, Viktor Cegledi reasoned. The takedown of Tom James is three years in the making. Still, a few folks went for it. So for him to lay the lipstick on the casket? The finale had plenty of closure. And then I told him that there was a callback to the pilot. We talked a lot about a more standard ending, if you will, where Selina is right about to become president and then she was going to do some of the same things offer Jonah the Vice Presidency. "I knew about it for quite some time, and it felt absolutely perfect," Louis-Dreyfus tells EW of the story turn. And please confirm that it was as vice president, not president.He was definitely impeached as vice president. But I guess at the end of the day, Im a cynical son of a bitch. Labor Day is on Monday, Sept. 5. The first Labor Day holiday was celebrated on Tuesday, September 5, 1882, in New York City, in accordance with the plans of the Central Labor Union. The fact that I saw Selina do nothing was immediate evidence that she was a part of this. ", And Veep truly came full circle in the final seconds of the episode, as CBS Evening News anchor (!) Oh, yes. I dont think Selina saw it as a gift, but in terms of his life, it was probably the biggest gift. We both agreed that it held a tremendous amount of weight [if we didnt know]. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. And then picked up right where we were [laughs], right back to that sort of withering stare. That was a nuclear bomb. As the bagman to the politician, Hales Gary Walsh is in her ear, primping her body and miming her every move always one heartbeat away from the woman he has long served. Its revealed that she never visited Gary in prison, yet he shows up at her funeral and gives her the special lipstick. Mandel thinks Jamies read was correct: I think she only really tried to do good if she thought it was politically expedient. Gary has been abused, codependent and is just stuck in this obsessive cycle with Selina. I dont think we can compete. But I doubt were going to get it. It didnt happen. But then when he gets out and she dies, his entire identity was based in her, so her dying meant that a portion of him was also dying. It was really like, 'All right, this is it.'". Selina wasnt a robot. They are looking to Veep for a little bit of comedy, because he makes them so nervous, he says. Because Gary is so in tune with her emotions, he might have picked up on something in her tone or behind or eyes, and this distracted him so he didnt. : r/Veep - Reddit; 2.Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic - TVLine At turns heartbreaking and hilarious, the showdown expertly acted by Emmy winners Julia Louis-Dreyfuss and Tony Hale dramatically altered the power dynamic between the two characters, while also setting up a doozy of a mystery: What did Selina do on that fateful Labor Day, and how exactly didGary cover (or clean) it up? From what I remember, I think we did the scene several times before the balloons. Labor Day, in the United States and Canada, holiday (first Monday in September) honouring workers and recognizing their contributions to society. I think in some ways she found herself a sort of Dan-esque guy. On Sunday night, the series finale of HBOs Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. Jonah then ascends to the presidency Considering Chung made all the cabinet appointments, there are no new spots for Jonah to offer Selina, except for one newly vacant spot: the vice presidency. What we just spoke about is obviously all of Garys story. And it was just ideal. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Season 5s Mother in which Selina lost both her mom and, perhaps more importantly, the popular vote got three times the nods of any other episode. You can tie that into fake news, just the idea that people used to believe scientists, and doctors, and now they dont. There was a moment when she was looking at Gary and you could see the sadness in her eyes for him, but she couldnt stop herself. She has to just let it happen and then turn a blind eye. Theres that part where she asks for the favor and then she stops herself and says, Oh never mind. I asked this question, because it sounded like she was going to say it and then stopped herself. This is, you know it's roadkill." And on top of that, Gary is supposed to be very happy in the scene. But now thats its coming back a second time, its this realization of, its almost like, We tried. But what went through her head was, We had tried earlier in the day off the Muslim math thing. I know people have been waiting for it. I've always assumed he was talking about finding her trash and whatever horrifying thing that was in it. All season long and for much of the series Veep has been exploring the question: How far is ex-VP, former POTUS, and forever egotist Selina Meyer willing to go to become president? That being said, hes a simple soul. And my guess is it was a similar sort of financial campaign thing. You dont ever really get to see Gary angry, but Tony is channeling sort of a little bit of a disgust, if you will. Not exactly Dan, but Dan-esque. But that secret, whatever itis, trumps them all. Yes, the person she had appointed to take charge of her faith-based initiativethe person who had the most faith in her, the person who did god-knows-what for her on the good ship Labor Daywould be the one to pay for all of her corruption. So even when shes with people, shes a little bit alone. As for that Jonah scenario, Maybe Jonah could get tortured. The relationship between Selina Meyer and Gary Walsh has always been hilarious, yes, but it's also what are the words? Tragic. I really do love Mike becoming the Walter Cronkite, the most trusted man in America. He was ready to do whatever she asked. He seems goofy enough to pull it off, he simply says, I think he just thinks corduroy is not very tasteful.. The holiday falls on the first Monday of . Louis-Dreyfus said she believed something crosses Selinas eyes of perhaps remorse and love for Gary in their goodbye. And it's kind of also not fair." Andrew popped up on the street in Oslo last week and crossed in front of the group at the funeral. As he prepared to personally sing her praises with his "own heartfelt eulogy" of the "underrated" president, he received breaking news in his earpiece that beloved actor Tom Hanks had passed at the age of 88. "I felt in a sense like I had tight reins on myself, I was trying very hard not to let a certain kind of emotion flow out of me," she says. Shell be horrified and then turn into this wonderful person and bring Gary a big fat turkey! It was a move that on its face seemed shocking and heartbreaking, and served as the show's darkest moment. [This story contains spoilers from the series finale of HBOs Veep, titled Veep.]. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from. April 19, 2015, 10:57 PM. The woman named Yolanda Saldivar became a fan of Tejano music during the mid-1980s . I think people forget that she did rise up through the political system, and that requires a certain amount of street-fighting skills and an inherent political sense, and she has that. The Federal Labor Day Holiday Is Created. And what were the alts that didnt make it? She was such a coward that she didnt want to go to someone and say, I dont want to date you anymore. And she had me do it. The train was moving way to fast Im getting deep now but the train was going so fast of every action and behavior that shes ever done that it was inevitable. That scarily driven, win-at-all costs side of Selina is a hideous sight to behold, except when it comes to the brutal, satisfying comeuppance of Tom James (Hugh Laurie). We, I dont want to say padded, because my guess is he could end up with more. Garys known her a long time and, as we know, shes not the purest lady. Desperate to find a fall guy for her scandals with the Meyer Fund and illicit ties to the . But in those quiet recesses, that is when it will just constantly hit her of how its not okay. And there's no coming back. I think its a credit to Julia that she has found a way to make people care about this character. 1. They sent us something when we won the Emmy. says the actress. I think he might view Selina with a little more empathy and compassion. Though she was fatally shot by the president of her fan club in 1995, the 23-year-old was able to accomplish some huge feats - from being credited with catapulting Latin music into the . If she had asked the question, do you think would Gary have sacrificed himself? That, to me, is the absolute saddest picture of her legacy. I feel like the possibility of Jonahs impending death would be just as nerve-racking as all the times Quinn was in danger. In the mornings before they come to get her, she will be up and dressed and waiting to get out of those family quarters and to get back to the Oval and business. At some point or another, I think I whispered that she won. Those are the favors. This is the main character of a TV show, and you relish in her horribleness. And when you sow that your entire life, you reap sadness and isolation. Politically-Correct Reaction: "Veep" focused on the unwanted secrets of its staff in "East Wing." Selina and Gary's Labor Day-set secret may have taken center stage, but plot threads . When Gary is being taken away by the FBI, he fights it until he sees that shes aware of whats happening. Shell be the ventriloquist and Ill be the dummy. I dont know. "Gary and Selina cohabit a dysfunctional not-quite-romance: brutal, abusive, pathetic and unbalanced, but, at the same time, almost in spite . I was like, 'Oh! ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Two-thirds of the fans who responded said they believe Selina has redeeming qualities, though they definitely had to reach to name some. And then when she was writing the book with Mike, a little bit more about her father. He wouldve been her type. Before he walked out the door with his box, he would be back working with her. You dont really want Selina to be president, you kind of want Julia to be president. I wanted to come out and remind people just what Veep was. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. The government shutdown episode. Oh, that sucks! MANDEL RESPONDS: As far as Gary and Selina parting ways, We think about that. How are you feeling about the change? Warning: This story contains plot details from Sunday's series finale of Veep. I mean, she doesn't dare go down that path of regret. She has been riding that thing, and its brought up a lot though obviously her anger at Selena, and all of those things. It was a baby challenge to figure out where Dan should be. She is everything that is bad about politics: no real vision or drive to lead via policy decisions. He quickly shifted gears into paying tribute to the Oscar-winning actor (four times, possibly winning for the sequel-you-never-saw-coming in Philadelphia 2). Oh, no, no, no!' Do you agree? The big one that we were on for probably a lot of the discussion was that never-before-seen President Hughes would die on the same day, and that would sort of steal her thunder. Then there was that look on Gary's face. And there have even occasionally been people [who said], Why does she keep falling for it? And their relationship is also pretty screwed up. I think the world has gotten very horrible. The way that I was surprised, actually, is that even though Selina would never admit it, I do feel like she subconsciously thought she needed Gary around her at all times. The more the phone rings, the more there are things to do, shes fine. He wasnt there to make some deal. "There's not an authentic foundation there. I do think Gary is a much better version of himself during that funeral, definitely. I like to think its a credit to Armando [Iannucci, the shows creator] and the previous writers, and my current writers, that we can make you root for a terrible person. It took that. "And there's nothing anyone can do to stop me from standing and walking for my country!" Is there any world where you do a spinoff or movie or continue this character in some way? April 28, 2017, 12:21 PM. It was actually Frank Rich, our executive producer, who then jumped to, What if its Tom Hanks? I had gone back and rewatched everything again, and so, the pilot was definitely fresh in my mind. The Murder of Selena occured on March 31, 1995 after Selena was shot to death by Yolanda Saldivar (who was the president of her fan club) Selena's death received international attention and the public reaction to it was compared to those that followed the deaths of John Lennon, Elvis Presley and John F. Kennedy. 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